It also takes something away from the players like me who have reached 100 final tables in about 65K hands as opposed to the players who have over 100k hands and less final tables. Bad idea to remove this stat. Terrible idea.

Very good point and very good way to determine the actual caliber of your opponent.... I suggest to you that you might also look at the number of final tables it takes the player to win a tournament. 1 win for every final table should be the standard.... So divide the number of wins into the number of Final table and the higher the answer the better the player... This is course is more accurate, the more final tables the player has. So one Ft and 1 win, though perfect would not be accurate.

Thanks for the response Doc, I always like to hear your insights. I do think that final tables per win is a lil overrated though. Let's say player A has 100 or so final tables in 65k hands and 10 or so wins and another player has 25 final tables and 5 wins in 65k hands. They played the same amount of hands, player A has won more trophies and made 4x the amount of final tables as Player B, would you determine that player B is a better player than player A? I would disagree very strongly...

I would also like to add that not being able to see 2nd place finishes and so forth is also a significant deficiency of this site. I like the site like OPR and pokerprolabs that track mtts and it would be nice if SC did something similar. Then you can track the % that you go deep in mtts. Of course you couldn't really track ROI like you would on a cash site, but more detailed stats would be nice. I just hate to see them moving backwards, not forward: by removing features and stats, instead

This is all so true. We all need to start emailing Kenny and support so they know we all want it back before its gone forever.

Fugly I stopped by to say good job on a nice week with your six final tables. So I will .... Good job! But this blog caught my interest. The hand to bounty ratio for me was the biggest donk determiner there was. I often made calls or lay downs based on this stat when I didn't know the player whatsoever. If they were picking up a bounty every 20 hands my donk radar was peeking. My AQ is probably good here. If they pick one up every 40 or more my AQ AJ is into the muck. I will email Kenny2

And of course if they reach a final table every 5k hands or so I know they are generally a soft player and may not have what it takes at the end of a tournament or beginning for that matter. I look at peoples stats now and feel that I'm looking at numbers without meaning. Wins etc. are nice but without a denominator it really is a waste of my time. Great blog FUGLY.

Good Point Voodoo, I also liked to compare bounties to hands played for that exact reason. I couldn't agress with you more. That gave great insight into whether they were too aggressive or too soft.

I likes the hands played stat (but couldn't care less about the badge) because it gave me a sense of how well my game was going. There is always variance but my ft to hp ratio needed to stay in a certain range if my game was good. The bounties stat is now completely meaningless and tells us nothing about a player - I would rather see the hands played reinstated and this dumped. Right, I'm off to sit out in every point builder going to make top 45 now that those hands played don't count lol.

Great blog, everyone is making perfect sense here Kenny needs to read all of this...My personal barometer was final tables/ hands played ratio (like swighey) and used bounties/ hands played to seperate the keno players from the poker players (like voodoo). The wins/ final table stat dosen't really do anything for me either, there are too many good players with a win/FT ratio below ten percent. The good doctor said "1 win for every final table should be the standard" which can't be right....

His ratio is 15/95 close to 20% which is about as good as it gets for that many final tables, so i figure anywhere between 10-20% is a very good ratio.

Ratio ratio ratio LOL---Yeah they should have been adding stats not taking them away so we won't "focus on the wrong part of our game"... What do you guys think Kenny meant by that anyway?How were people using the hands played stat for anything other than results analysis, and how could that ever be a bad thing? Only for the insecure people with suspect ratios i guess.

Yeah exactly, if he truely wanted to remove a stat that made people focus on the wrong part of their game he woulda removed the bounty badge. A lot of bingo donks aim high for the bounties with their all-in idiot style of play. As others have mentioned on here, that stat is now totally useless without knowing how many hands they have played. I don't get SC Kenny's logic there. There must be a hidden agenda.

I commented on this on Kenny's page but my comment didn't get posted. Maybe the "Kenny, are you for real?" part had something to do with it. :)