The continuous shuffle only creates the lottery game currently played online and called poker. The shuffle puts cards into play for the community that would not be avail in a live shuffle, in a live game after the hole cards are deal there are only 5 live cards, online there are 29, 28 turn, and on the river there are 27 live cards that can be drawn from, anyone of which is avail. Ppl have realized this and it has created a lottery type of play that I think has ruined poker, because it has car
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Does Continuous Reshuffling Cause You To Lose?
By GWL666Mar 10, 09 12:52 AM

This concept of randomness is sometimes difficult to fully comprehend especially when you bring in the concept of continuous reshuffling.
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When you play cards at home with friends or your children, do you try to make sure the deck is thoroughly shuffled before dealing? Maybe even allowing the deck to be cut. We even shuffle for the small children because they are not good at it yet. Why? To make sure the cards dealt are as random as they can get manually shuffling.
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You are at a nine player table and receive your two random pocket cards dealt to you from a Continuously Reshuffling software program. At that point 18 cards have been removed from the deck. You make a decision whether to play or not based on those two cards. There are 34 cards left in the deck at that time. Are those 34 cards random? Are the next 5 cards of those 34 cards random?
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Do you have any idea what order the 34 remaining cards are in? Do you have any idea what order the next five cards are? If they are random, why would it matter if I reshuffled them over and over again as long as they are random? Even though the order of the those 34 cards changes each time they are reshuffled, if they are still random, does it matter? How does reshuffling change randomness?
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Or do you think the order of the next 5 cards (flop, turn, & river) are somehow prearranged in an order that will guarantee that you will win and by reshuffling your chances of winning are decreased? Cards prearranged for you to win would not be random.
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Or do you somehow think reshuffling is messing with the laws of nature and that those 5 next cards were again predestined for you to win?
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Please show me mathematically how that is possible. The 34 cards remaining in the deck are random. If I reshuffle them 1 trillion times before I deal the flop, those 34 cards are still random but in a new random order. No one knows what cards will be dealt on the flop, turn and river in both situations, i.e. without reshuffle and with continuous reshuffle.
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That is the key, the next five cards that are dealt are as random as they are going to get.
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So how does reshuffling change anything? The next 5 cards dealt are all selected randomly and nobody knows what they will be.
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I know maybe the deck had been running cold for you and this time you would have hit had it not been for that damn continuous shuffling software or magic genie that lives in the software.


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The continuous shuffle only creates the lottery game currently played online and called poker. The shuffle puts cards into play for the community that would not be avail in a live shuffle, in a live game after the hole cards are deal there are only 5 live cards, online there are 29, 28 turn, and on the river there are 27 live cards that can be drawn from, anyone of which is avail. Ppl have realized this and it has created a lottery type of play that I think has ruined poker, because it has car
gwl666, Read you post as to why the 3 to 1 favors lose on SC.
Funny you make no sense at all . QQ should still beat QK the math does not change
QQ Win: 68.11% QK 30.76%
Tie: 1.14%
Random Number Generators are based on a 'noise producing circuit' a diode usually, and then a 'spike counter' this counts the noise spikes into a amplifier into a flip flop circuit, creating binary bits. your computer program interfaces with the binary bits, because that is what a program is (1,0's) then a program conversation from that binary value into a software value, algorithm's are program functions of logic, not a random number generator itself.
Actually the first questions is how the random number generator and the software selects the card. to me the logical method is that the random number generator is selecting all 52 cards all the time, then during play the software program looks to see if the card has been selected already, if the Qs is selected by the random number generator and its value is present in someones hand or board, then it is discarded and another random card is selected, the Js (this time) and its value is not present
Each new set of initial integers represents a security risk. If someone knows the first set of integers used they can create a formula that would mimic the RNG (very bad). The RNG once set in motion should be constantly running and continuously reshuffling the cards. Technology, aint it great!
Imagine a circular river (RNG) with 52 boats in the river. Each boat represents a different card. 9 players get 18 different boats. the rest just keep circiling in the river. 3 more are chosen and revealed. 31 boats keep on circling, 1 more gets picked and then the last 1 gets picked. 29 are still in the river circling.
Now notice that the river never ever stops. If it did; the RNG (river) would have to be started again. That requires a new set of integers.
Doc- I just reread the "shuffle algorithm" published under FAQs. It just describes the mathematical basis used. It doesn't say anything about reshuffling. Where do I find that information?
Part of that is they have nothing invested they just enter the next one. They should have some tournys that to qualify you had to be at a final table the week before. My be that would make them play more serious. You are right when you see a raise and a reraise then 3 or for call wiith rags. Alot of these young guys think you have to be in the chip lesd 5 mins into the tourny so they go allin early if they hit then they play if not sign up for the next.
Why there are more bad beats at SC is because so many more players stay in a hand with trash even against big raises. The more that stay in the more likely your better hands will be busted.
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But, you are right, I do need to get out and I am about to do just that.
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I am real tired of playing here because of all the preflop all-in and people playing trash to the river. It is not SC's fault. The fault lies in there is nothing at risk, so why not.
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My game is limit, so I will try that
they will show you AK or AQ won x amount of times What it won't show is what was it up against when it lost
I don't know squat on many issues relating to poker....however
I do know I have far more critical aspects of the game to worry
about then cards being shuffled.
I played a live WSOP Sat last Sunday and one tables automatic
shuffler broke down...they made all dealers go to manual until
the unit was quickly replace...nobody had any problem.
In the same game one player asked for "a wash" and the dealer
spread out the cards mixing them before putting them into the
shuffler.
Online poker is just t
And if you ever played live would see it's just a different game.
That why you don't see all the vegas shills not playing online.
GW get out play live then tell me it's the same . (OMG AS I TYPE THIS JUST LOSST A/Q TO 45 OFF THERES ANOTHER) like i said have sc show me all the 3 to 1 favors and the % they win.
Live play the 3 to 1 favors win their 70 % on this site 3 to 1 favors
lose 8 out of 10 times. You can say what u want . about random this random that it's still a computer program and programs are set what ever way they wnt. All I know is i just played in the 500 and no less than 25 times did the 3 to 1 favor lose
#1 - mskitty00, what you see live and at all online sites are random hands dealt randomly. These patterns you are alleging are happening all the time cannot be supported just by your observations playing live at the one table or even playing at 6 tables online.
#2 – What you are alleging is not supported by any statistical books based on millions of hands played and Showdown Calculators but somehow we are supposed to believe you without any data but your opinion on your limited observations which you have failed to write down. Get serious.
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You are just another of the many people who love to make excuses for why they lose and make ridiculous statement that are not remotely supported by anything but their subjective opinions.
#1 - IrishQueeen
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Go to "How to Play/FAQs
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Then on the left side of page under FAQS, select or click on "Shuffle Algorithm" and it will bring up the page that explains how it works at Spade Club"
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I don't know what else needs to be said.
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The cards are as random as they are going to get.
#2 - I am not sure what point there is in saying that is no such thing as a perfect random number. Not even sure what that means or proves. What is a perfect random number? I guess this guy is jumping from there and implying that SC’s RNG is flawed; but, it is not; just more pointless flapping in the wind.
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If he thinks it is flawed, he should know what cards are coming and be able to win every tournament.
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Some people don't believe in infinity either.
Doc-interesting response. Where does Spade Club have this information written down. Or, did some one tell you it was true?
I have played live once but watch for hours and have never seen what you are saying, nor have has anyone else. It does happen, but not with the frequency you claim.
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Also, I watch hundred of hours of tournament live on TV and have never seen what you say happens in that frequency.
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Whay don't you run that question by SCKenny and see if he agrees with you.
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You just don't have the facts so admit you are wrong.
mskitty00........as u can c.....only GeorgeWilsonLewis666's answers r correct...if u disagree with him...he will try 2 make u look like a fool......but in reality he is the FOOL....
1 Don't try to change subjest. How many hands id you ever play live?
2 Show me were I said 100s of hands
3 Show me the 500k in hands on sc were the 3 to 1 favor won 70% of the time
mskitty00, you information is just flat wrong and you have no real clue what you are talking about, e.g. e.g. Pocket Aces, Kings or Queens will not lose 2 out of 3 times here or anywhere for that matter. And, I can support that with a showdown calculator dealing 500,000 hands or more. Do you own one? Get one and try it. You might learn something. But you are entitled to your wrong opinion.
Also show me in my post I claimed 1000s of hands...Know I read acouple of posts of yours and you pretty much of a wind bag.
GW, Exactly how many hands of poker have you played live?
until yuo sit at a live table and see what i'm talking about When you best not tell me to stop flaping my gums. Also not need logs to know when 3 to 1 favors lose almost everytime here.
I knew you would not be able to show anything to prove your outlandish percentages and are just flapping your lips.
mskitty00 show us the 1,000s of hands were you have recorded this feat. Then and only then will we believe you or anyone who makes such outlandish claims.
Thanks DrCheckRaise, I did not want to get that technical; I applied the KISS principle.
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As you can see from the posts, there will always be some people who claim unsupportable statistics on their bad or good beats.
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We know these people do not keep logs of all their hands over months/years writing down their pocket cards and the next 5 cards on the felt and what hand won and then analyze it. They just make statements like that and think everyone will believe them.
Something happens or all online site would be the same and there not . You can see different patterns on different sites
Like pokerstars if it flops 3 of the same cards like spades you can be shure on the river the 4th comes When that comes and i have the bare A i know i'm gonna win that pot...and i do
......nothing to do with the rng, which is not perfect by definition because there is no such thing as a random number. As DrCR says, the "continuous shuffling" does not change the odds - those that say it does are either clutching at straws or are confusing it with "conditional probability" a la the game show "take your pick". The odds do not change and neither do the cards because they haven't happened yet.
I see one pair win at omaha because some donk pushes with a paired ace and I have no choice but to fold my trips or straight because the possibility of a house or a flush or higher straight is quite high in a omaha hand with many limpers. 1 pair wins here because many players on the early tables think it is the same as holdem but with a choice of hole cards.
Not a math genuis but do know that hands that are favored 70% should not lose 75 % of the time, A lso know you really see that it does something to the dealing of the cards in omaha and omaha hi/lo, if you ever played omaha at a casino the lock is there 95% of the time and never see 1 pair win like you do online.
What you are calling continuous shuffle, is actually a security precaution. Because an RNG is actually a mathematical equation, then there would be the possibility after watching billions of hands, another computer program could determine the next card. To avoid this, after the flop, the remaining cards are submitting into the mathematical equation once again to determine the turn, and then repeated again for the river.This process does not change the odds one bit, but does provide security.




TexasThunder
All they have to do is have one shuffle, deal the 20 hole cards, then 5 cards face down in the middle, turning them as the hand progresses. The only reason for not doing this is greed, less hands per hr., less money for them.