okay found the final blog 25/50 bet 250 out, got a call of 250 pot size is 575. I see 1/2 pot size bet of 300, gets a call. pot size is now 1175 with 1/2 pot size bet and call in the turn with 3 clubs so far. the question is the 1/2 pot size bet on the turn, what do you look to gain with a call? from the other person? the other thing I question is the reference to 6x blind bet on flop, accurate thinking is pot size.

So there are really one big mistake, the small bet on the turn of 200. I dont consider the Arag play too much of a mistake because you have chips to spare, and sitting on those chips is a bigger mistake, because you lose your chip stack power when other people stacks collect chips from other players, when your just folding cards waiting for premium hands, you will just last longer but not get close to the money

I re-read this blogs here and a bet of 500 into a 1275 pot is only 1/2 pot bet, just like the flop, 1/2 pot size bets; now a third club on the turn then bets only 200 on the turn, thats a person that lost heart, because he had trips, he put you on a flush draw and now had hit the hand. the 200 on the turn was a fear bet. calling was the correct thing to do because you had a flush draw

okay the estimated blinds 50/25 for a 75 pot, trips bet out 300 okay 6x blinds. get a call for a pot size of 675. now a bet of only 300 into a 675 pot, thats a info bet; with a call that's a 1275 pots, now on the turn a bet of 200 into a 1275 pot, that's asking for a call and got it. that is a very bad bet because your giving all sorts of pot odds, to me this is asking for call and being greedy with a set.

ty all so much for the comments, i learned a lot. And yes I would have folded if he went all in, and I do see that I was not thinking as deep as maybe I should have. And fugly, we still cool my friend. LOL lesson learned. thanx again for the well thought out answers it really does help. I am still learning and not ready to go pro like some of you.....but someday I hope to. cu all out there.

Ace rag is junk (even though it wins here) in real poker it's gonna cost you far more in the long run. The other player should have pushed you off the hand when the four flush flopped. That was his bad. It is better to win a small pot than lose a big one. The question is if he did push all in with his set on the flop, would you have called with an Ace no kicker?

I got it now Fugly. They way I first read it was that you knew you were ahead and put her on a defensive small blind hand that was never gonna beat so you dragged her to the river with small bets. Anyway, I agree about the deeper thinking but I stick by "fold the A rag" if you are not sure what to do next. Against a good (by my standards) player I would fold the A4 at least 90% of the time in that situation and save my thinking for exploiting the weak players.

..So the point is if you want to improve your game, I would suggest instead of thinking of specific tactics, like "should I call or fold in this situation", change the way you think through a hand. Instead of thinking, "I have an Ace on the SB so I'll call". Or "I have top pair and a lot of chips so I'll call," think a couple levels deeper. Ask yourself "What hands do I think he has?" and "What hands does he think I have". (ignore lvl 3 for now). Think through your hand differently. :)

Well after you called a preflop raise and a stiff flop bet with an ace on board, he most likely to put you on an Ace, or maybe a flush draw on the flop. So you have to ask yourself, if he is putting you on one of these two hands on the flop, why in the world would be bet the turn again when he could just check when the third club came? Go back to the list of his range. Cbet and underpair looking less likely, and big ace and draw more likely. Now your pair of aces is not looking so good...

Actually thats level 0 thinking because Level 1 thinking is "what do I put him on". Preflop, what range do you give him? Pair? Big Ace? What about after he bets 2/3rds of the pot on the flop? Could be a cbet, top pair, draw, or underpair. How does your A-rag hold up against this range? What about after the big turn bet after the third club falls? Now his range has really shrunk. Especially if you apply Level 2 thinking: "What does he likely put me on?"

Maybe you played it wrong, maybe not. You got the chips so who can argue with that? On the other hand, I think you could make better decisions if you elevated your level of thinking. You seem to have some success and this will take your poker to the next 'level'. From your post, it seems that you are thinking mostly at 'level 1'. And that is your own hand. For example you said you called 'because you I was the sb'. On the flop "I have a pair of aces." And "river is club to give ME flush"

loosejohnny, you weren't at the tbl and the bets weren't small. 5x preflop isn't small, 6x on the flop isn't small. I wasn't being greedy.

the good part is that your trying to get chips with your chips, your not sitting on your quick winnings, you need to keep a stack to get leverage over other players. good moves and good idea of getting chips. that's how pros win

No, well first thing is that you never apologize for winning. I don't do it. 2nd thing is that you winning a four flush is the other person's mistake, he was not betting enough to get rid of you, you had chips to spare and had A's up, not a bad hand, not a great hand. the person with trips was asking for it, and his greed of 'small bets' to keep you around that's his own fault.

yeah, sorry about how I reacted. I sometimes make donk/fish calls myself to mix it up and throw people off guard You had a big stack and you wanted to gamble. I was wrong to say you should play it by the book. Always playing by the book won't win you any games.

I find it best to fold ace-rag to any raise, whether in the blinds or not, regardless of my chip stack. I would rather play rags. When this hand hits, 95% of the time you will just lose more chips.

I did say the blinds were about 100, and that you bet 300, so a little off because i didnt remember exactly. Also I never said my ace beat the set, I said I had a pair of aces at that point and only know my hand, and I felt your bets were small to my chip stack. I didnt name you because I really just wanted to see if I played it that bad. Hope we can be friends again because I do respect you as a player. ty all for the comments and it is a lesson learned either way.

I admit I overacted though. The badbeats and suckouts pile up on me night after night and sometimes I lash out when I think someone made a horrible call. I need to learn to bite my tongue better online. Or refrain from typing what I'm thinking... I was just surprised by your play there as I had respected your game prior to that hand. If you were just shifting into loosey goosey gear then, then perhaps I could understand your mindset a little better with hindsight.

I never called her a donk, called her a fish (Someone who is a bad player and who likes to call big raises with bad hands hoping to hit the board). And I think she definitely made a fish move there.

Swig, she got her facts off as she is trying to sugarcoat her play. I had no intention of slowplaying that hand, as she stated that there were 2 clubs on the flop. I bet out 5x to protect my hand. I made the standard continuation-sized bet and I coulda understood her calling if she had 2 clubs, but she didn't. She only had one, a 5 of clubs. She justified her calling with having a top pair....

She failed to mention that the blinds we 25/50. And she got the bet sizes wrong as well. I bet 5x preflop 250, not 300. On the flop I bet 6x 300. On the turn I bet 500. That IS NOT SLOWPLAYING! And she made some fish calls. She even made a comment that she had me on the flop after the hand. I guess she didn't realize that a set beats top pair. Esp top pair with a lousy 5 kicker. Get ur facts str8 fishy.

You should fold the A4 but you decided to not let your blind go easy. He probably had you on an A rag or J10 10 8 suited type hand and made the decision to slow play (this is occasionally a good decision) his trips. He hit the boat on the river and saw the flush hit - it's his birthday! You can't fold to the little bets in that spot - he made them cos he wanted you to call so if he says you should have folded then he's a donk. The mistake was defending your blind with A4.

I disagree. Why play Ace rag out of position against one opponent when his chip stack is not offering enough implied odds to call if you hit your hand. Might I ask , what flop are you looking for with A4 off suit. There is no hand you can beat preflop. I would just fold this hand pre-flop. Just my opinion. Position is everything.

I was at your table that time,how i said b4,he didnt protect his set enough against big stack=bad betting
no sorry in poker btw lol
gl

I HAVE FLIPPED OUT ON ALOT OF PLAYERS BECAUSE OF BAD CALLS. I WOULD NOT CONSIDER THIS BAD PLAY. IF THEY HAD A SET THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE RAISED. SLOW PLAYING SOMETIMES HURTS. IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED BAD PLAY IF YOU WERE ALL IN WHEN YOU FLOPPED YOUR WEAK ACE. AND CAUGHT A MIRACLE FLUSH. WHICH HAS HAPPENED TO ME. YOU KNOW YOU ARE A GOOD PLAYER AND DONT LET IT AFFECT YOU. I LOST 44K IN THE 5K OVER THE WEEKEND WITH A SET TO THE SAME SET WITH HIGHER KICKER. I WAS SLOW PLAYING THINKING I HAD COACH(94K I

example... if there was 100 big blind 50 small blind and he bet 6x or 600 then there would of been 750 in pot. and know other callers, for you to call would of cost you 550 or only alittle better then even money. Then I would of folded with rag A but he gave you right pot odds to call by only betting 3x to big blind. left 450 in pot only costing you 250 to call giving you almost 2 to 1 money with the stack you had right call....Looks like he's the poor player not protecting his hand with the r

If, you were in the small blind and were getting right odds to call
then yes you were correct . Then when you hit the flop even though you had a A rag you have to play as along as he does not go allin or bets so big were the odds are wrong to call.