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COLLUSION OR NOT?

By ace1ofhearts
Jan 22, 09 12:18 PM

I am sure this "incident" will be discussed, so I figured I'll put my 2 cents in, because I was involved in it, not by choice though...
This is what happened : not sure of the chip counts, but I will keep it as close as I can remember...

10 players left in an Omaha tournament, the blinds are huge, if I remember right it was 800-1600.
I am the second shortest stack with about 1860, the shortest stack is at the other table, he has less than I have, maybe about 760 or so.
Of course I am in the big blind, that leaves me no options but to play this hand. I am watching the other table and I know that the shortest stack will be all-in the very same hand. He is sitting out in the big blind there.
On the flop I catch a flush draw and a straight draw, a pair even... so I am not going to fold 260 to anything to 4000 pot, even if I was drawing dead.
I was on the bubble ( well, one guy shorter ) but I had the odds to win my hand.
What happened then, was : one player told the other one : let her win!
So the second player folded his hand to me.
At the same time the shortest stack ( who had been sitting out for a long time ) got knocked out.
I - on the other hand - had doubled up.
So, one player started screaming: collusion!
OK.
I might be wrong, and I apologize myself here in advance. English is obviously not my first language. But, I did look up for the word collusion : it means that people make up schemes in advance and try to screw someone over. It is a pre-determined thing.
I had no idea what had happened though, I was multi-tasking and I was really surprised I had made the final table.
I came back to the table and there were two players going at it : WHAT THE F.?
I totally agree with the player that said, you shouldn't say anything of that kind to "coach" another player. When the hand is in progress, it is one player to a hand.
Then again, it is up to any one person to act upon their hand as they wish.
I don't know if that comment made the other player fold, probably did. I might have won the hand anyway.
The "dislike" of players sitting-out - I do not understand. They paid their fair share and they can do what ever they want with their chips. ( Dr.C-R ----- I went to war with one guy about that several months ago, not sure if you followed, but I made my opinion clear and loud ) .

First of all, I NEVER want to win anything by "default."

What I am trying to say is: It was wrong and unethical for one person to tell another player what to do with their hand, but was it collusion per se? I didn't do anything wrong.

I am typing out, wishing y'all a wonderful day!


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POSTED BY:
bigkahuna

Mar 09, 09 06:49 AM

personally if i see u playing and on the bubble while other short stack is sitting out like a baby, I would donate to you too if i had the chips to do so

POSTED BY:
SuicidaLKing

Feb 19, 09 07:25 AM

Honestly...its not collusion at all...you had nothing to do with it... at this point it was just table conversation collusion would be me telling you what i have in order to better both of us..or having pre planned signals...you cant help what people around you say..in a casino however. that would be the idiot that got the pit boss on both of you

POSTED BY:
snuffy420

Feb 03, 09 01:49 AM

collusion...I dont really think so...Ace sometimes I think you are just too nice of a person...go get em girl

POSTED BY:
Ducofdeath

Jan 26, 09 05:39 PM

I think this situation falls under tda rule 33 (ethical play). The comment should have been penalized.Your opponent was wrong, only if he acted in what he believed was not in his own best interest.You were just a lucky duck.

POSTED BY:
vincolletti

Jan 24, 09 02:19 PM

you didn't do anything wrong no need to defend yourself.

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