I won't call with anything

1st of all u sed "You know for a fact that he is going to push all-in on the flop no matter what." that is the last thing he wud do, why wud he push $2550 into $100 pot, u think if the flop comes AA2 he wud push? or 789 all clubs and he doesnt have the Ac why wud he risk all his $ for $100 ( AA is the best hand preflop but post flop lots of hands can beat it most of the time, u have to be able to fold AA sometimes or u wil lose alot, alot of new players cant fold AA no matter what and go broke.

btw i wud fold, why put in 5x bb when u know u are 80% behind no matter what u got.

Its a scenario LH90 - not a evaluation of a fictional players move on the flop. The question is What cards can you call with? .. and you're both wrong (BetrMuckit - LH90).

You can and should fold. Folding is sometimes an agressive act. You can hailmary for trips or two pair or a good draw but he still has outs in most cases.

Deny AA chips will often tilt a player to overplay his next hand or two. I try to remember cash poker is not about winning the pot infront of you as much as it is about making the most from your hands and trying to lose the least as you can in spec hands. Why risk your stack when better fights are on the way?

besides the huge holes in the logic as other members have brought up-why call? who goes allin in this situation in a cash game? if by some strangeness otherwordly insite I know they push on the flop, I call with suited connectors 7-8 and up and any pocket pair. not much of a math wiz but my cards would hit enough times to stack a allin on the flop enough times to make it a money making call.

First off if this were a real scenerio you would announce the fact you his cards. If it were intentional every casino or room has its own rules, varying with it being heads up or not. But putting that aside I agree with LH. How could assume he's gonna push being
deep stacked and having 50 bucks invested.(seems a little silly)
However I disagree with folding. This a deep stacked cash game.
I would call a raise with any suited connector, small pocket, etc.
But if I knew his hole cards(? wich I

(one day i will learn how to use a computer!)
(?wich I wouldn't?) I would open my range up. You put in 50 to get 2500. You have huge advantage. Putting 50 in bad has no bearing being able felt someone.
that's my two cents.
peace

I think what you are looking for someone to say is that they would call with the other 2 aces, If I knew he would move all in after the flop I doubt I would play the other 2 aces... why risk all your money for a chop?
I have been in many games where someone exposed their hand when they bet and there was still action to me. IF they don't have the nuts I always raise when that happens... They know I know what they have and I raise... They must fold...Works everytime

Very nice Galvanized. Well thought out. Thanks for getting over the craziness surrounding the scenario.

Scenario or Quiz was probably a bad choice, I should have called it a puzzle.

At its heart it is an implied odds problem, and you can call with any two cards with the exception of Ax.

I think my scenario contains an error, the stack sizes should be larger to make this an absolute +ev move.

48 to 1 to flop two pair. You are calling 50 to net his stack, 2600 - 51 to 1 imp

(continued) 2600 - 51 to 1 implied odds.

My flaw in stack sizes was because I stopped thinking about it on the flop. Two Pair vs a pocket pair will hold up to the river around 75% of the time. Putting that into the equation means you would need stack sizes of about $3000 for the math to work out to the river.

Pairs and Axs do not work because of the odds: Flopping a flush - 117.7 to 1. You are really looking to flop a set or two pair. Four flush or straights do not make the grade be

(continued III) because of the push on the flop, you won't have odds to continue when he pushes. If you do happen to flop a flush or striaght then bingo for you.

Of course, your only risking the initial $50... because if you don't catch the flop you fold.

mindfield - kudos to you too.

Damn the answer is up!!!! I like the implied odds angle and if there is a time to get the underdog to hit and you can afford it....maybe a gamble worth taking. Pre-flop percentages are just that. I often tell a player when they rag on me......show me AA with my outs on the flop, I call anyway. I am a Limit and Omaha player......I have learned the hard way to appreciate draws and not to over apreciate high percentage hands.

I do respect the why call answers too. Why gamble with an underdog. I will play bingo if it pays huge for little $ though

Very deep with the math, this one is over my head with out the answers in a few ways....Great Post!

I disagree with the call here give the situation you laid out. I do love "i was pot commited" or I had "Implied odds" - because most of the time those plays pay the devil his due.
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If the AA has position you will be toast on the flop 3/4 of the time. you might be able to out play the player but it is doubtful for a few reasons. If they are novice they are often married if they are advanced they will make you pay dear for the next two cards.

I would fold an 2 cards and not call the 50 but if u go after AA the best hand to do that with is 65s that is not his suit on his AA. followed by any suited conector best being 76s..87s..98..any suited connector where an ace is not involved and the suit you have is different from the aces he has.

i would call and hope my sc skills learned here pay off and crack the AA like here on sc at the 98% rate woohoo i luv sc 4 helping me in my live game! i couldnt of done it without all my practice hours here at sc -the best "LEARNING" site !

I will call in a heartbeat....50 with that big of a stack, anything from 45suited to PP is okay, your hoping that you flop trips and his AA are overs to the board. Heck yea I'm calling.

This is the only situation in poker where there is only one correct answer - you call with any two cards. When the flop comes you know 100% where you are. If you know your opponents hole cards and the bet is that small compared to the stack sizes there is no other correct play. The implied odds if you are ahead after the flop are HUGE compared to the $50 you lose if you fold on the flop. Heads up you call any two exposed cards - if they are AA you are in implied odds heaven.

If calling 5 BB with any two when you know the another player has AA is NOT correct. The reason : AA has other outs to beat your hand even if the hand you hold his hit the flop. Your odds of Quads fullhouse etc are far less than the 1:1 you get with his stack as it is equal to your stack. The EV is not good enough to play any two. -- You will need suited mid suited connectors for your best shot at winning the hand to the river & you will need 7:1 in the pot to get the right odds for preflop.